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Posted by nutty1smrs » Jan. 24, 2012 6:37am

My partner and I have been ttc for 16 months now. He went for a SA and within 2 days had a phone call from thr dr to say they found no sperm, not 1, in his semen. He has to go again in April to see if there is any change or if they made a mistake. Has anyone been through this or similar? Really need some help on this

Nats xxx

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Reply by lilangel2nd » Feb. 2, 2012 9:29pm

My husband had the same issue..we ended up having to use a donor to have a baby.

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Reply by Melc2808 » Feb. 16, 2012 6:17pm

Hi Nats! I'm so sorry that you are going through this. My husband was diagnosed with azoospermia 2 years ago. It took my hubby a while to come to terms and we are now starting our third IUI with donor sperm cycle. Theres a great forum at this site the ladies are great and very helpful most have been dealing with this for a while now. http://forums.fertilitycommunity.com/male-factor-infertility/260227-azoospermia.html Good luck If you have any questions or need anything feel free to pm me!

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Reply by SugarBearTTC » May. 31, 2012 11:26pm

We're the docs able to tell you why your DHs had azoospermia? We are waiting to see a fertility specialist in our area because my fiance has non obstructive azoospermia because of chemo, radiation and bone marrow transfers from pediatric brain cancer. We are hoping that there is something that can be done for us such as IVF with TESE and ICSI...have anyone of you talked to docs about these options to find sperm and in Vitro fertilize eggs? We would much rather not have to use donor sperm if possible. Thanks!

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Reply by Melc2808 » Jun. 1, 2012 12:14am

Sugarbear: I'm so sorry that you are going through this. My Dh also had cancer as a child and went through chemo and radiation so that seems to be the reason. We actually had a phone consult with Dr. Turek in San Francisco he specializes in male infertility and based on my husbands bloodwork and semen analysis and medical history he gave us a 10% chanceof finding anything. To us personally a 10% chance was not worth the $10,000 it was going to be then the $30,000 price it would cost for the ICSI and IVF if it did work. Can't raise a baby if we were broke trying to have one. Honestly it took us two years to open our minds and hearts to donor sperm. My husband wouldn't even talk about it for a long time but once he decided it was the right choice financially then the rest came easily. We are going onto our 4th cycle and my husband and I really don't think about the fact that we are doing it with donor sperm anymore. To us it's become a natural part of having a baby. We can't wait to be mommy and daddy and blood does not make or break that. I'm not trying to force you into anything. If the doctors give you a good percentage and you can afford to make it happen then thats great I hope you are able to make that happen. I just wanted to explain that this was not our first choice and we never thought we'd be in this position but we are and are very happy and excited about our decision now. Good luck!

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Reply by SugarBearTTC » Jun. 1, 2012 9:26am

Wow, thank you for your quick and honest reply. I hope so much that you and your husband get a BFP super soon. I will just have to wait and see what the doc says about us because that is something we can't afford unless someone helps out a lot and I don't think my family would. My mother is pretty unsupportive. When I went to her to talk because I was upset and she actually told me to make a choice of never being a mommy or finding a new man....and said it should be simple! I couldn't believe she would give up that fast...neither of those choices are an option for me. We will all overcome this infertility.

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Reply by Melc2808 » Jun. 6, 2012 11:19pm

Sugarbear: thank you! I start injections on Friday I can't wait lol! It is a very expensive process im sorry you don't have help or support. I can't believe your mom would say something so mean. Im hoping that she just doesn't understand that you have other choices you can be mommy and still be with the manyou love. hope she learns to be more supportive for you and your Dh. I remember my Dh saying things like that to me when we first found out, he told me a couple times that I should leave and find someone who could give me a baby. It was heartbreaking. I couldn't believe he would think that was even an option, it never entered my mind to leave him.. Anyways like I said before it took him time to realize that we had other options and I'm sure your mom will come around to it. Your right we will all overcome infertility!

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Reply by stillfuntryin » Jun. 7, 2012 4:47pm

Hi ladies,
Not sure if i really need to be in this forum but my partner and i have been trying unsucssesfully for 12 months and i have been check but we are waiting for xmas to get him checked i think he is afraid of somthing like you guys are going through might happen to us, i understand his decision to wait and completely support him, i have allways known in the back of my head for some reason the conceiving wouldnt come easliy, i dont know why but i knew, some people thorght i was obsured thinking that and said "how do you know somthing like that will happen you will be fine" but low and behold 12 months later here we are, I cant do much until we know what the problem is, i might get a second opinion i think to be sure, got disheartened for a bit and stopped trying but we are giving it a go again this cycle im on cycle day 8 today and my cycles have been ranging from 26 to 30 days so i might start ov testing today, any help with approaching this touchy subject with my partner to get him to get checked soon would help so much, Thanks for taking the time to read my story ;)

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Reply by Melc2808 » Jun. 8, 2012 2:40pm

Stillfuntryin: I'm sorry that you are going through this. I can say my Dh had no problem getting his first SA I think because he figured it would come back fine. But it did take him almost a full year to get the second one which the doctor suggested to make sure the first wasn't messed up. It's funny you say you always knew you'd have problems conceiving, as I always knew too although I always thought the problems would be on my end and not my future husbands' does you husband have any medical history that might lead him to believe he would have azoospermia? If not it could be a blockage which would be a pretty easy fix. It could also just mean a low count and with that you might be able to still conceive with an IUI. I'm not sure how old you are but I would def. want my husband to get checked sooner rather then later because if something is wrong it could take quite a bit of time to figure everything out. It took my Dh 2 years after the first SA to be able to come to terms and move on. 2 years can make a big difference in the infertility world. Has your doctor checked to see if your ovulating properly. Have you tried clomid? Sorry for all the questions Wishing u both the best!

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Reply by SugarBearTTC » Jun. 8, 2012 5:25pm

My DH thought he had super sperm...I also had a feeling we would have problems from both of us. I have had many docs tell me that I would prob need something to trigger ovulation...and that I might have an issue with miscarrage. I knew how erratic my cycles were and his history with cancer. I think since he had cancer at such a young age and has been healthy for so long he assumed everything was great. He knows how much we want a baby and how much time and effort I have put into learning everything I can. He wanted to start trying a couple of years ago and I said no because I had just started school again and wanted to at least get a year or so done first. So after 6 months I was going to try and see my doc again but suggested a home test for him first since tests for men are non- invasive and because of his history my docs said he should get tested ASAP. The home fertility test for men was a lot less stressful, he said no prob and we ordered 2 different tests. After there were NO sperm...I told him we needed to see a real doc to get some answers. I assumed he would need time to cope with it since he was a little upset when we didn't see anything. The next day he brought home a number for a fertility clinic that a friend of his used. I was so proud of him, he was ready to get going a lot faster than I thought but since the fertility clinic wants to charge me and not his insurance we're going to see a urologist first. On the 29th of this month! A lot of times men associate their fertility with their manhood and dont deal well with MFI. The main thing to make ur DH realize is that you support him and that he wouldn't love you any less if the infertility was on your end and you would never love him less for it either. Having a baby is a 2 person job...and some people just have to work harder at it than others...the main thing is that you're in it together and both want the same outcome....a happy, healthy baby!!! Sorry for the wordiness...I wish you all the best! def be proactive because if you can find e root of the problem you can hopefully find a solution. I wish I had said yes yo starting a family whe. He wanted to because we would have been a few years ahead of where we are now. I would have been almost 27 instead of almost 30!

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Reply by stillfuntryin » Jun. 8, 2012 5:29pm

Im 27 and he is 29, both fit and healthy, no problems as such... we live and work in the country so chemicals are a daily occourance which may play a part, we have tried to steer clear from them now we are ttc but who knows what damage they have already done, im not very familar with the mens side, if they have a blockage will they have ejaculation, i am pretty sure that i ovulate, i get ov pains and i have done a little charting, first it was saliva testing then opk's then temping and checking cervix, all seem to be ok, when i got checked i did 2 blood samples that checked for STD's 2 urine tests (dont know what they were for) and external ultrasound and an internal ultrasound, they didnt check my tubes but ( well not the way that i thourght they did, i thourght they did the dye thing and they didnt do that) she could see a folacle that was very ripe but i thourght i had already ov'd and i think i t was around 5dpo, period came 9 days after so i may have ov'd 2 times that cycle, dont really know, i was using folate supplement with all the other vitmins that they tell you to use but after 1 yr they were feeling like a waste of time so i deceided that i would take them again when i got preg, im doing opk,s again this cycle see how we go...

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Reply by stillfuntryin » Jun. 8, 2012 5:45pm

Just order a DIY male sperm fertilty test

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Reply by Melc2808 » Jun. 8, 2012 6:00pm

Stillfuntryin: I believe even with a blockage he could still ejaculate. Or I've even heard of some where the swimmers swim back up versus out. I would def. look into getting an HSG (dye test) though too. That's strange they didn't do that. There really are so many factors that play a part in a having a baby I hope that your Dh's SA comes back with great results!

Sugarbear: i nev thought to do an at home test thats a great idea. I'm sure my Dh would have been a lot more comfortable wi that as well. I'm so happy to hear that your Dh has been looking into next steps for you guys. We started with an urologist as well. I hope that he can give you guys some great news.

Looks like we're all about the same age. My Dh and I are 27. Keep fingers crossed for me ladies I start injections tonight for our 4th donor cycle. Really hoping this is it!!! Good luck to all of you!!!!

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Reply by stillfuntryin » Jun. 8, 2012 6:06pm

GOOD LUCK melc2808............... Hope it works for you, does anyone else get annoyed when you see people winging that they didnt get preg on there first cycle and think that they are so hard done by, i dont know but it gets undermy skin, or when you see succsess storie and they say "Nailed it first cycle" i think that is my gelouse side coming out in mebut most people on this site are trying so hard and it feels like they are rubbing it in your face like HA HA i did it and you cant........Anyone tell im in a bad mood today?LOL

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Reply by SugarBearTTC » Jun. 8, 2012 7:02pm

Melc: I'm so excited for you too!!! Make sure to keep us updated!!!

Stillfuntryin: I know what you mean about getting frustrated...and I have only been trying actively since last dec! All I can do is focus on my and DH issues and try to overcome them. It really does make me feel better to have this site and all the wonderful caring women that are on here that are struggling with fertility issues as well. I don't feel so alone online with all of you like I do at home.
As for male issues, the one Melc was talking about is retrograde ejaculation where the sperm get pushed back up into the bladder. Men can still ejaculate and have no sperm...because only a very small bit of the ejaculate is actually sperm, the rest is seminal fluid from the prostate. That's part of why my DH thought he was good to go...cause he has a large volume. 2-6 ml is normal volume....but my DH just has no sperm. If he has a blocked tube the. He could still have plenty of sperm in his testes and they can do a fine needle aspiration and IUI. Anyways, I hope it is a simple solution for you. TTC

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Reply by jmcandrew » Jun. 11, 2012 1:44pm

Hi ladies,

When reading through your posts, i though for sure, some one was telling my story under a different user name..
DH and I have been trying to conceive for 8months with RE. He is 32, I am 26. He too had cancer as a kid, but we found out five years ago that he had no sperm. Lucky for us, we have had time to absorbe this information. I too never once thought that leaving him was an option, even though he did give me the option when we first found out.

I'm not going to lie and say that it's been easy. The choice of donor sperm was hard, and i'm so proud of him for being so supportive. Like Melc said, it's not the blood that makes the father. Together we have seen so many dysfunctional families with little to no father involvement. He has said that no matter what the DNA, he is the father. And if someday we decide that the child should know, we can only hope the child will understand and see that we are loving parents.

I get nervous, but in the back of my head i keep telling myself that once I get my BFP, and i meet my bundle of joy, i'll fall in love again and all my worries will no longer matter.

I'm so glad to have found this thread. We haven't told anyone, not because we don't feel they will be un-supportive, but because I feel strongly that I don't want the child to be looked at differently. It is great to be able to relate to you ladies.

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1st - 4th IUI's w/clomid
5th & 6th IUI w/injectable folistine
--MOVING TO IVF with PGD in AUG 2012--
8/12/12 - 1st IVF / Freeze all cycle - 150 Folistine, menapure, & goneralix
8/26/12 - ER - 16 follicules, ER 8 eggs collected, 5 fertilized, only 2 snow babies :(
9/6/12 - 2nd IVF / Freeze all cycle- 300 Folistine, menapure, microdose lupron 2x (AM & PM).

...waiting for 2nd ER....

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Reply by Melc2808 » Jun. 11, 2012 6:43pm

Jmcandrew: welcome to our little forum! So sorry that you and your Dh are going through this but I'm so happy that your Dh has been so supportive. I see that you currently doing IVF! My fingers are crossed for you! May I ask what bank you guys are going through! My Dh and I are using cryogenic lab. Not rue if you have a Facebook but there is a donor sperm group on thre. It is completely private. Only you can see and the women on there are wonderful if you want to join

http://www.facebook.com/groups/donorsiblings/

Sugarbearttc: thank you! That's so funny your Dh has a large volume of seminal fluid. My Dh was told he does too! Which made him think that he didn't have a problem, I wonder if that's part of it or just a coincidence?

Stillfuntryin: yes I've run into quite a few comments that have upset me over the years. It is hard when I see people have it happen so quickly but I also can't help but be happy for them, we all have our different problems and for some TTC isn't one of them. It's the mean people that I can't stand. Those who have no problem getting their wife pregnant and then tell my husband they could help him out. Or one guy even went as far as telling my husband it's because he wasn't man enough. People just don't ink. It's not something they will hover have to go through so for them it's not a big deal. But for all of us, this is a HUGE part of our lives. I'm sorry your going through this and I hope whatever route you choose happens quickly for you! Gl!

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Reply by stillfuntryin » Jun. 11, 2012 8:35pm

Thanks guys in a better mood today, Going to a fertility clinic to get a second opinion next week, wont get the semen test kit till next week (live in the bush and only get mail once a week). my cycles seem to be getting shorter (weird) they were allways 28 days then i stoped taking folic acid supplements and they changed to 26 days i wonder if it had somthing to do with it or not? I got a pos OPK on cycle day 10 im on cycle day 12 now

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Reply by SugarBearTTC » Jun. 11, 2012 10:32pm

My cycles used to be crazy long when I wasn't on birth control. Since I've been off of birth control it's gradually gone from a 28 day cycle to 32 then 36 then 37 then 45 and now I'm on cycle day 31 and I haven't even ovulated yet. This is why I think It may be more than just DH in the infertility dept.

Jmcandrew: welcome to our little club. I wish I could say it was all sunshine and roses but at least we have each other. Azoospermia only effects 1% of the population and I sure wish we were part of some super cool and awesome 1% and didn't have to go through all this in order to reassure our DH's and make our families. But then again it must take some awesome women in order to pull it all off and I would just like to say that you and Melc and stillfuntryin are roll models for me. I respect your views and what you say...and appreciate you letting us all follow you on your way to making your families since I feel you are further along in finding your way than I am. My DH is amazing and I would never dream of leaving him but given that he hasn't had a prognosis from a doc yet (we see the doc on the 29th of this month) he hasn't been given the complete real deal yet and I don't know how open he will be to other ways of building a family without him being biologically connected. Did your DH feel the same way at first? And if so, how long did it take for him to accept it and realize he just wanted to be a daddy and he would be so reguardless of whether it was a biological child or not? I think I would have an easier time getting over not being a biological parent than him but is that because I have the ability of being a biological parent? Or because I tend to be mothering to everyone reguardless of their age or affiliation to me? I don't know, any advice on how to handle this appt since the last thing I want to do is upset my DH and I know he just wants me to be happy. He has been telling me for the last couple years that he thinks I would be much happier being a mommy and that he was gonna "fill me up with babies" before we realized that his problem was real. You don't have to answer if it's too much, but have you had more than one IUI?

How many IUIs do most women have to go through in order to conceive? Have any of the doc's given any info? I'm just curious since it seems we will end up having to do the same to make our family. Thanks ladies! So happy that Melc and jmcandrew are both on close to the same ages for IUI with donor sperm, it's so exciting...I'm so excited for both or you...I can't wait until you can hear your babies heartbeats for the first time. That will be amazing!!!

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Reply by Melc2808 » Jun. 12, 2012 12:55am

Stillfintryin: good luck with your second opinion. I think the average cycles are 28 to 32 days so I think as long as your typically in that range your ok.

Sugarbearttc: just out of curiosity does your Dh have a brother that could be used as a donor. I'm not sure how you would feel about it but that was the first thing mentioned that made my Dh feel ok about the donor idea. His brother offered to help and we considered it but given he had had a vasectomy already it was going to be really expensive and I was quite comfortable with it but I've seen quite a few things on using family as donors and it may be a great option to keep some biology there. My doctor originally told me on average it takes 3 tries but after doing much research I've found the average is 6. Because you typically do a natural cycle or two then go to clomid a couple rounds then move to injectables if the first two fail. After that your rate for success falls. But some do manage to conceive after that but we have decided two more rounds if it doesn't happen then we are moving to adoption. It's so nice to have all of you to talk to. You will all make wonderful mothers and I can't wait to hear how everything goes for all of you!

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Reply by stillfuntryin » Jun. 12, 2012 2:31am

Thanks for the imput guys, i dont think my partner would consider donor sperm or adoption, maybe in a few years but not right now, we dont even know if he has a problem yet! when i told him i got the sperm test kit he said "what did you get that for it's awaist of money" and i explaind that if he had a good result then he wouldnt have to go to the doc's for a SA, he changed his tune fairly quickly LOL.
In my head im still thinking that it might just be poor timing and we arnt getting it right, i also have low to minimal CM, i was supose to be ovulating in the past few days and it was really dry (sorry TMI) i used preseed and it didnt really make much difference (prevesley it's been too wet), im starting to get a little more moisture but i was supose to O yesterday, still cant figure this out you would think i would have it down to a fine art by now LOL i will keep BDing just incase, i have looked into IUI but i dont want to get too confussed until i see a specialist and we can find the prob, just got a phone call from the fertility clinic and the said that somthing has happened and they wont get to see me until the 6th july, Oh well more time to try our way hey, this forum is much better than the "am i pregnant?" ones they usually last around 1 week and the people disapear, i am friends with one girl that i met a few months back she is now around 8 weeks we are friends on facebook, it was so good to put a face to the name. Good luck girlys

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