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Last Round of Clomid. HCG Shot. Cycle Buddies??

Category: Trying to Conceive - TTC My First Child
Posted by MellieLynn » May. 21, 2012 11:30pm

I am on my last round of Clomid, and things are... interesting...

I went to my dr today for an ultrasound to see how far my follicles have dilated (my dr is looking for 1.8cm). Curiously enough, he found two eggs cysts (right at 1.5 and left at 1.2). My DB and I decided to go through with the HCG injection since we have been trying (since last year), but to no avail. So, my dr. wants me to come back for another ultrasound Wednesday morning and if one of follicles is 1.8cm dilated he will administer the HCG shot... However, if the they are both at that size, as he puts it, my chance to have twins "is not insignificant." I'm kind of excited about the idea actually :)

SO - I guess if I get the shot on Wednesday, I will ovulate on Thursday 5/23. Any I am certainly welcoming any cycle buddies :)

Also, if you have any questions about Clomid, and have any information about the HCG shot, I'd love to chat!

Best wished to everyone!

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Reply by ack4246 » May. 29, 2012 3:42pm

Hi there! This is my first try at responding to a forum! I'm 5 days behind you in my cycle (ovulated 5/28), but I'd love to be your semi-cycle buddy!

I'm in my third month on Clomid with TTC at home. No shots yet, so I suppose I'm a little behind you in that respect, too.

How long have you been doing infertility treatments?



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Reply by MellieLynn » May. 30, 2012 9:22pm

Hi ack4246!

I'll take a semi-cycle buddy, absolutely! :) It was my first time posting - so I'm glad to see you!

I've been taking Clomid since December, but I didn't ovulate in that January. My hormones have ALWAYS been totally out-of-whack, and I have the 'advanced maternal age' working against me. (Only 36 though -- at least until August :) )

Is your dr. hopeful that the Clomid will work, or have they already started talking about a specialist?




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Reply by wsupharmer » May. 30, 2012 10:51pm

Hi, I would love to have a cycle buddy!! This is the first time I join a group as well. I have been ttc since aug with a mc in Nov. I started 50mg of clomid this cycle since we have had no luck. I o'd on the 21St so I will know soon!! I could not help myself and tested today and of course BFN. I have read great success stories about clomid so hopefully it will work. I did a CD21 draw and it was 9.8. I am not sure if it was on the lower end but md said I ovulated and is not going to up my clomid dose. This is all new to me but it gives me hope

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Reply by MellieLynn » May. 31, 2012 12:07am

Good luck wsupharmer! (YAY! New Cycle Buddy!)

I know how hard it is too wait. Sorry about the bfn, but hopefully it was just a little too soon to test.

Because of the HCG shot this month, I HAVE to give it the full 14 days after ovulation before I test, since the HCG could cause a false negative. It is an excruciating wait this time!

I know of a few others that have used Clomid, and it has worked for them; hopefully, I will be one of them soon :)

I'm trying to stay optimistic.

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Reply by wsupharmer » May. 31, 2012 12:31am

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you as well MellieLynn! How many rounds of clomid have you tried? Any side effects? When will you test? I can't wait to see some positives!

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Reply by MellieLynn » May. 31, 2012 10:06am

Thanks, wsupharmer!

This is my 5th round of Clomid, but the 1st round didn't work and the dosage had to be adjusted. Since, this is probably going to be the last round before I am referred to a specialist, I thought we should go all in and do the shot as well. Which, by the way, is not one shot - it is FOUR shots, one in each arm and one in each butt cheek. (I hate needles!) My doctor said I would ovulate within 24 hours. With everything, there is still only a 30% chance it will work. (And I wrote incorrectly above, the HCG shot can give a false negative, I meant false positive. I've read that a lot of people like to take a HPT after the shot to see the double line, but I figured that if I don't get to see one soon, it would be too depressing.) Fingers crossed though -- staying positive and BD'ing are my new hobbies, and not such bad hobbies to have :)

As far as side effects, I didn't really notice any until this month -- the hot flashes kicked in. UGH! If that is what I have to look forward to in menopause, I'll take AF for a little while longer! I have enjoyed being on the Clomid, actually. The regular cycles are pretty awesome!

I will test the morning of June 7th. So nervous!! I don't feel like I am out this month, which is wonderful!

(On a side note, my cousin and I started trying at about the same time. She is going to the dr. today to find out the sex of the baby... and she is 44!!! Hopefully, I have some of those baby making genes!)

How long have you been trying??


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Reply by ack4246 » May. 31, 2012 4:28pm

Wow, Hi there and I'm sorry! Somehow I wasn't notified that you had ever responded MellieLynn. That means I also never saw our new cycle buddy wsupharmer. So excited to have met you both! (and I guess I'm now the newby) :)

Anyway, I am in my third round of clomid. My husband and I started TTC in June, 2011. We are in our 11month right now. Because I had a history of pelvic pain and pelvic floor dysfunction (muscle disorder), I was referred to a specialist after 6 months. I had a laparoscopy in January, 2012 and learned nothing was wrong (tubes were open, etc) except for mild endometriosis, which she said wasn't on the ovaries or in the tubes and shouldn't cause issues. My husband was also tested and so were my hormone levels and everything has come back normal. I have a normal cycle and ovulate every month. WHICH MAKES THIS SO FRUSTRATING!

Anyway, my specialist put me on clomid three months ago, to no avail. I'm going to be away July-August, so after talking with her recently, we're going to continue clomid with timed intercourse at home through August. IUI cycles will begin in September if they have to.

So, when you guys talk about shots, I'm a little behind in how it all works. I guess I'll know more after the summer.

I'm testing on June 10th, because I have a baby shower to go to for an 'opps pregnancy' on the 9th and can't handle knowing it's a BFN before I go.

wsupharmer, when do you test? Or when did you ovulate?

My name is Courtney, by the way. I think it's easier than the screen names!

So happy to have our very own thread group formed!
Court



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Reply by wsupharmer » May. 31, 2012 4:51pm

Nice to see u back Court!

MerrlieLynn: We have been trying since Aug 11. I did get pregnant for a like a second in Oct but MC'd about 4-5 weeks. I have always been regular so I don't know why its so hard! I just feel so disappointed at times because it seems like we have been trying for SO LONG! Also it is not easy that every single on of our friends have kids, it seems like they all got together and planned their pregnancies together and we were left out! I don't know if age has anything to do with it but being 33 i'm not really a youngin.

The only thing i have noticed with clomid is HOTFLASHEs! But thats about it. I had no idea that there was 4 shots involved. We have not talked about shots with md yet.

Court: I believe I got a positive opk on CD 17 (night) and CD18 morning, by the evening of CD18 it was no longer darker than control line. So AF is scheduled for either June 3rd or 4th. I am not going to test till sunday night. My temps are still high but that usually is the case right up until day 13 dpo then it drops.

Fingers crossed for us! We are not out until AF arrives so we must keep positive! Its been a long journey but all be worth every second. By the way I'm Lisette.

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Reply by ack4246 » May. 31, 2012 5:13pm

Horray for cycle buddies!

Lisette, are you then on clomid with TTC at home, too? I know exactly how you feel with the babies thing around. For starters, one of my best friend's (work together) and I started trying together. She got pregnant immediately on the first try and is on maternity leave as we speak. BUT, things get worst...There is a new on-site daycare at my work and so everyone has their infants with them at work, including my colleague who breastfeeds in our office. FU! And, drum roll please, there were 17 pregnant people at my work this year. 17!!!! Every month was an at-work shower and there were so many bellies around, it caused me to have tearing fits in my best friend's office (who was pregnant). Also, my DH is going to be 38 soon and EVERY friend has three kids. They're all actually done having kids. We also have 9 nieces and nephews and we're the topic of every family gathering. I'm going to be 31 on July 4th and it'll be the one year marker of my first TWW. The whole thing has been a silent nightmare, which is why I'm glad I found this site. And you!

MerrlieLynn: Was this the first time you did the shots and before was clomid at home? It seems the shots are a step in the right direction! I'm so hoping for twins for you. Did they eventually both grow to full-size?

Court


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Reply by MellieLynn » May. 31, 2012 10:39pm

Hi Courtney (my beautiful neice's name) and Lisette (LOVE! LOVE! LOVE the name!)

I'm Melissa (or Missy). SO glad I met you two!

Courtney: I am so there with you with the frustrating part! Once things got started with the regular cycles, I figured everything was good, and so did my BF (been together for 8 years :) never been happier, just going at our own pace on the marriage thing :) ).

As far as the shots go, my doctor had me come in for an ultrasound to see that I was ovulating properly. After the follicles are dilated 1.8CM or more they can give you a shot of HCG (the pregnancy hormone) to make the egg release. They can give you shots of other stuff too, but that is what he chose. From what the dr. says, I've been doing "unmonitored Clomid". Follow everything with ultrasound is "monitored clomid". I honestly thought I wasn't even ovulating this cycle - even on 100mg of Clomid. I went in for an ultrasound on CD18 and wasn't far enough along to even have the shot. I went back on CD20... and was so happy to just know I would ovulate. With the shot, my ovulation date was CD21; so, my TWW turned into a 3 week wait, and the 1 week wait to ovulate was excruciating. I NEVER got a positive OPK, so thank goodness I had the ultrasounds, and so happy we decided to do the shot. Like I said before, I could not bring myself to take a hpt to see the double lines when I knew it wasn't real, and I am so worried that I will take a test too soon and think the wrong thing. My doctor says exactly two weeks though. I've waited this long, what's 14 more days? (now just 7 more)

I'lll be thinking about you on the 9th. I know going to the shower isn't going to be easy, bfn or not.

Lisette: Cannot tell you how sorry I am about the MC. My mother had 2 and my sister had 1, so it's such a big fear that we will go through all this, and then that will happen.

My cousin, who I mentioned earlier, and I started trying last Memorial Day. She was 44 and I was 36. Didn't even think that she would be the first. .. and I know she is trying to be supportive and fun and involved, but the "hurry up" comments were starting to get on my nerves, and now that she isn't even asking anymore, that makes me upset too. I'm not one to go crazy with cliches, but "emotional roller coasters" is a good way to describe this, and, Courtney, "silent nightmare" spot on too.

And :( when I got the last ultrasound, the one follicle had started to "revolve". It had been 1.6cm and was only 1.0cm when I had the shot. Twins aren't likely. My BF was THRILLED at that idea. I was too :(

What does your doctor say about the IUI??

What are yall doing about vitamins? Any thoughts about Pre-Seed?

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Reply by wsupharmer » Jun. 1, 2012 12:06am

MellieLynn I know what you mean about the pregnancy comments. I got hassled from my parents all the time about when we were going to have kids but after the mc they don't bring it up like before. (which i think is a relief !!!) They don't understand why its so hard.

Courtney: At work my partner just had her baby in Feb. Everyone always thought I was the one that was pregnant. She was on leave for about 3 months and still no one noticed that she had the baby and she was the one that was gone not me. To this day I still get customers asking me how my baby is doing!!! GRRRR

My md has never mentioned any shots, she just told me if clomid does not work the next step would be to see a specialist. Since we got pregnant before she did not think it was necessary for my husband to get tested. So I guess time will tell.

I am an extremely emotional person so I try not to let all the BFNs get to me. Seeing others peoples BFP gives me lots of HOPE! I feel BFP in the air for all of us! Im just glad tomorrow is my Monday so I'll be at work pretty much all day that I wont have time to think about testing again before I think I'm ready. The only positive to working that I won't be just sitting home all day thinking about it and over analyzing any symptoms that I think I might be having.

As far as vitamins I've been taking prenatals (making sure I'm getting enough folic acid and DHA) and pretty much trying to get healthy. I also have been exercising 4-5 times a week, since I know I have to lose some weight hoping that will also help with ttc. I have seen many people post that preseed is great but we have never tried it. I have talked to my husband about it but I dont think we really need it. I hear its pretty messy.

Keeping my fingers crossed for all of us, and hoping my temps keep high, 4 more days seems like forever, and MerrlieLynn I hope those 7 days go by quick for you as well.

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Reply by ack4246 » Jun. 1, 2012 5:02pm

Melissa & Lisette,

I'm still just so happy we found each other. This is a new outlet I didn't realize I needed as badly as I did. And my husband, George, is quite thrilled, too...he had no idea how to comfort me, despite his best efforts! :)

Ok, where to start...Melissa, I fully support your choice to not see the 'fake' double lines. I can only speak from experience about what I thought were 'false negatives' and those are bad enough. I can't imagine what false positive must feel like. And, it's a really great sign you are ovulating on clomid! No more thinking you aren't ovulating; it's a sure thing! As for twins, as much as we all would love them...multiples can pose a significant risk for birth defects, prematurity, and learning disabilities. I'm 'in the business' as a speech-language pathologist who works with disordered children, so I kinda know too much. I mean, I welcome twins and would love them, but I think the fact you ovulated one perfect, healthy egg was meant to be and is awesome.

As for preseed, I LOVED IT! I just tried it for the first time this month. For a long time, I thought it was a marketing gimmick, because any 'water-based' lubricant is fine. BUT...I've ALWAYS self-diagnosed myself as having little-to-no CM and preseed is used both interally and externally (if you want). I found the internal lubricant not only made a difference in how BD felt, but also felt so happy that there was at least some type of swimmable fluid in there, if it wasn't going to be CM. Now...if only it would work.

Just got off the phone with the mother-in-law. After avoiding her questions for 3 months, I just had to talk with her for an hour. I could cry. It just sucks sharing your personal woes with your MIL, no matter how much you get along. I hate that she knows about what's going on and I hate that when we don't talk about it, I know she's thinking about it. I need a vacation from the people I love in my life. UG!

Ladies, we're headed into the hardest part of the TWW. So glad we have each other!

Court

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Reply by wsupharmer » Jun. 3, 2012 10:58am

Morning ladies

Well I just tested and still bfn!! I know af is coming since there was a dip in my temperature today so it should arrive tomorrow right in time. I hope round two of clomid is the luck one for us. I'm trying not tinker thus effect me. So now I need happy news from you guys!! How u guys doing???

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Reply by ack4246 » Jun. 3, 2012 2:18pm

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that, Lisette. I remember getting the BFN after the first round of clomid was the hardest, because I finally felt like I had changed something up. It'll probably happen to me again next AF now that I tried preseed. Try to pour yourself a glass of wine and hang out in your jammies today, if you can.

As for me, no good news to report yet. I'm only 6 dpi. I've had a ton of CM in the last two days, which is very odd for me. I hoped maybe it was an implantation sign, but nothing on the internet says so.

I'm already panicked about how I'm going to hold it together for the baby shower sat and wonder whether I'll be able to hold off and not test prior.

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Reply by wsupharmer » Jun. 4, 2012 3:03am

Hey Courtney

I was really hoping for a better response from clomid but at least I know I'm Oing. Im ready for AF so i can start my next round. I have to keep positive. Maybe this time around we can even try some preseed. Is a cd21 blood draw necessary with every clomid round??

I've read in a couple of forums that Lots of cm is a good sign!!! I know the waiting game is hard but try to tough it out as best as you can. No point in getting sad with a bpn when you know you are testing too early. Have u had any cramps or spotting, i think they may be signs of implanation. If you take you bbt there can be a dip in temp for implantation as well. I know I always imagine all kinds of symptoms so I try not to think about it. Good luck at baby shower I'll be at our friends 1 yr bday for their son.

Keeping my fingers crossed for u ... Lots of baby dust

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Reply by ack4246 » Jun. 4, 2012 5:35am

Thanks for all the positive messages and positive thinking my way! I'm sending the same to you! You are so strong! Just think, of the three of us, you're lucky you're already onto cycle day 1 and we all have to wait.

As for clomid, no you do not need to do a blood draw. In fact, I don't even know what that is. My specialist put me on clomid days 5-9 with timing intercourse at home. She has me use the Clear Blue Easy Digital OPK, because it's the most trusted. She also says BD every 36hours near the positive ovulation day, not too much before (reduces sperm count). Hopefully that helps you in your next cycle.

As for symptoms, yes, I try so hard to ignore them. It's interested the % of women who feel symptoms according to this site prior to knowing they're pregnant (~10%) and then after they know they're pregnant it drops to ~.1%...so I'm guessing a lot of it is imagined.

Good luck today with AF. :(

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Reply by MellieLynn » Jun. 4, 2012 7:03pm

Hi Courtney and Lisette!

Sorry I have not posted in the last few days. I had a wedding to attend this weekend. It was a shotgun wedding. Of course I got one of two comments all weekend, either people wanted to know when/if my BF and I were having kids b/c we've been together for so long and we aren't that young, or they wanted to tell me how I was doing the right thing by not having kids when I wasn't married... Since I am one week into my TWW, I couldn't drink either - which could have made people slightly less annoying. Yeah, not that great of a weekend.

My BF and I did use pre-seed this cycle. LOVED IT! It isn't like we are unfamiliar with similar products. I was so glad to find one that was fertility-friendly, and we are sold! I never thought that my cm was an issue, but I could really tell a difference... I hope it works!

Question for both of you, when you started taking your BBT, was it all over the place? I was taking my temp for a couple of months, but my morning temperature was just so up and so down from day-to-day that it was indecipherable.

Lisette: Boo! I'm sorry about the bfn! I know that you've said you are really emotional, so I know this must be so, so hard. Honestly, I haven't been super emotional until this weekend. It was the first time I felt really jealous of someone, and I did not like it. It is also starting to seem that this is never going to happen. I just don't understand why it is so hard for some people.

Also, I've been working on the weight thing as well. If no bfp this time, I think I am going to get far more into it. Right now I have been focusing just on eating right, but I guess I'm going to have to get my butt in gear!

Courtney: YAY for the good signs!

It is so tough when family members know. I don't really have anyone in my immediate circle who has had this much difficulty. My mother, who has been a wonderful support system, is just getting to the point that she doesn't know what to say (like my cousin). I don't know what to say to her either. I never thought it would be this difficult.

So, I'm very confused this cycle. I am 11dpo, and I had a small amount of spotting on Sunday morning (10dpo). It is perfect timing for implantation bleeding. I've never had that happen before, so I am being cautiously optimistic. I would swear that I have PMS and AF is a few days away, so I am not going too crazy with baby thoughts, but I don't know. Yall are the only ones I'm telling about the spotting. It would be to hard to get my BF excited (or my mom) and then have it be a bfn.

I'm thinking about the both of you.

(Testing on Thursday morning... only a few more days!!!)


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Reply by ack4246 » Jun. 4, 2012 7:34pm

First things first...Missy! That light spotting is the very best early pregnancy sign you can have! And it came perfectly on the right day! I am so hopeful for you.

As for my charting, yes my temp was pretty consistent, especially if I drew a line connecting each one and looked for the 'forrest through the trees' as one book I read suggests. But what I didn't like about charting was that I would take my temp 3 different times in 3 minutes and get 3 different answers. That combined with my regular periods (O'ing on day 13 each month) and it wasn't necessary. Once I started clomid in March, my doctor specifically requested I use the Clear Blue Easy digital opk. She said it was the best and so I trusted her.

I have been known to still take my temp at the end of the TWW, though, to look for a drop. It helps me emotionally prepare.

As for the wedding, ug. I know what it feels like. My coworker (who got pregnant her first try) actually said, "oooooh, so sad! How about I become your obgyn from now on..." when I told her what was going on. That b_ _ _ _ _!!!! I was so angry. Still am.

As for your feelings of it all being so hard and frustrating, don't think twice about being jealous of others. It's only natural. And, feel confident in that you can vent to us now, no matter what! That alone should make this roller coaster ride a little easier on us all.

I'm thinking of you from now until Thursday!!

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Reply by wsupharmer » Jun. 5, 2012 3:02am

First of all missy I'm so excited for you that is a super good sign. Implantation sometimes also shows a big dip in your temperature. I've been taking my temp since September and it's pretty consistent. Before o I'm usually low 96's and after O high 97's. I post my temp on fertility friend. It is really easy and even if your temps go up and down once u temp all month u can definitely see a pattern when u see all month. I usually just temp one time as soon my alarm goes off i reach over and grab my thermometer and test. I also always use the same side of my mouth because if u temp again or on the other side it will be different. I'll be thinking of u on Thursday.

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Reply by ack4246 » Jun. 5, 2012 5:27am

See, isn't that crazy, though? Each side of your mouth is different?? No wonder I was confused! Ha...one time, one side. Got it. Did you invest in a special thermometer, or do you use a cheap digital?

ps- is anyone already planning on taking a day off of work if it's a bfn? I have always suffered through my cycle day one at work, but I'm thinking next monday might just be a day off for me.

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